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Latest episode: David Attias on OpenAI Sora (Transcript)

Alex MacGregor (00:00.778) Yeah, great. So yeah, we're back with episode 51 of the High Breaks podcast with myself, Alex and Jake. So yeah, we were just talking before we went on air there, but like, so this past week, Sora 2 has launched and everyone's sharing videos online. But one of the reasons we got David on this day is because David's like one of the few people that are actually talking about the specifics behind Sora, like in terms of like, you know, how to optimize it and how to like remove watermarks and do all that kind of stuff. So

Jake Hissitt (00:07.454) Great.

Alex MacGregor (00:30.27) Yeah, I just want to get your background, David, like, why did you kind of start talking about this online and like, what's your background in terms of like all this stuff, like video and stuff like that?

David (00:39.638) Yeah, sure. Because I am the founder of a mobile app called Stopper, which is an app for women to stop their sugar cravings. And I have been working with influencers a lot for the past six months. And I was very frustrated to work with influencers because sometimes the quality is not there and the price, the cost for their videos is quite expensive.

And when I got access to Sora 2, it was like Thursday. Basically, that's a friend of a friend who gave me his access code on day one. And it was Joe dropping. Like when I saw the quality of the video and the audio and basically like the different camera angles and when the characters, they were talking, I was like...

Like, trust me, like, the entire day of Sora 2, the first day of release, I was... I think as a B2C app marketer, that's the most powerful tool I've seen, like, by a very large margin.

Alex MacGregor (02:01.896) Yeah. And so like before this, before Sora 2 then, you were just working with creators, doing the usual, giving them a brief and getting the video and then asking them to edit the video. So kind of like what's, I mean, what's the, do you still do that or is that, you going to like switch? Yeah, you still do that. Yeah.

David (02:19.382) Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course, of course. With influencers who have power of influence, basically like influencers that have a large audience and a large audience of fans. Yes, I'm still working with those. With influencers with charisma, who can smile on camera, who can speak in front of a camera, yes. With all the low-charisma ambassadors and influencers, no.

Basically, like all the pretty girls just being pretty on camera and then basically showing my stopper app, gone. It's over.

Alex MacGregor (02:56.798) Yeah. It's funny because the video that you shared, the girl in Bali. like I, I've been to Bali. I go to Bali every year and I've, I've, I've added some girls from Bali in my Instagram. And I saw a video exactly like that from a girl I know in Bali and her, she is from Singapore. I'm not going to name her name, but she's got, just say like, three or 400,000 followers and her video was exactly like that video that you shared.

David (03:17.133) Sure.

Alex MacGregor (03:25.29) Literally she went to the gym, she ate like a Kai bowl, she was down by a pool, she was working out and even like the way she talked and the way she delivered was exactly the same as that girl. Like it literally was like for like. So I'm thinking in my mind like, okay, if I'm a brand like, like, you know, I don't know how much she charges, but like the cost, the difference in costs alone is gonna be like really tempting for brands, isn't it?

David (03:38.51) I know that's useful.

David (03:52.172) Yeah, because I am working with similar influencers from Bali and Thailand. And what they used to charge is basically between $100 and $200 for one video. And for last week, we saw how to make the same video. It was free. And the quality was awesome. And then, far, two free got nerfed in terms of quality and in terms of things we can do with the free model.

And since the end of last week, I got access to the Pro model, to the Paint model, which we can access with a Shad GPT Pro subscription. And there, the quality is insane in terms of video, camera angles, and image, and audio. That's just insane.

Alex MacGregor (04:44.094) Yeah, interesting. So in terms of like the, what are the main kind of issues right now in terms of like adopting this then? Like you talked about the watermarking thing, used a third party tool. Like what is the main kind of issues right now from your perspective?

David (05:05.069) With the Sora Free models, there are tons of issues. Sometimes the character doesn't look real, sometimes the audio doesn't look real, sometimes the quality of the image is bad, and same for the audio. So we have to use a lot of tools to remove the watermark, to improve the voice, to do some video upscale as well.

And those things, don't need to do them with Sora 2 Pro. We still need to remove the watermark, but from my experience, the Pro model, 90 % of the generated videos, in terms of image and audio perspective, it's not perfect, it's almost perfect. It's almost perfect. Actually, I think Sora 2 Pro is better than 95 % of the content.

of the similar content in the same niche that I see on TikTok and Instagram. That's mind-blowing.

Alex MacGregor (06:12.754) Yeah, that is it's from the videos I've seen, like I've seen little mistakes here and there. Like I saw the girl pouring the, I think it was like milk or something onto the table. So she literally just poured it onto the table and onto the. Yeah.

David (06:24.622) Of course, of course, that's true. There are sometimes, there are often actually some mistakes like that which with a video software editor we can cut. Yeah.

Jake Hissitt (06:38.259) I think we need.

David (06:38.51) But yeah, like, basically, like when I share this video on Twitter, like I don't, I don't edit the video that I'm sharing on Twitter. just, I just share like that. And because, because my audience is mostly people making apps, working with AI. So like they will notice those kinds of things, but I guarantee you like most of the rest of the world, the rest of the Gen Z teens on Twitter, TikTok and Instagram won't.

Alex MacGregor (07:03.39) Yeah.

David (07:06.87) They won't notice the long finger, they won't notice the milk on the... Some might, but most won't.

Jake Hissitt (07:16.466) Okay.

David (07:22.924) I think Jack is mute.

Jake Hissitt (07:25.203) think I'm in the middle of an electrical storm that's affecting my internet.

Alex MacGregor (07:25.224) Yeah, you're on music.

Alex MacGregor (07:31.796) Hahaha.

Now we can hear you.

Jake Hissitt (07:36.059) Yeah, I'm in and out, but I can see that my camera is going on and off and my sound is as well, it's raining quite heavily here. So I wanted to ask a quick question actually, because obviously David here is from, guess what we would know, everybody would know is a traditional influencer agency. And I want to get your perspective, David.

How do you think that this technology is going to affect the influencer industry? Because I look at it this way, right? I used to, I actually have automated systems as well where we can create avatars. And I know that HeyGen, I'm not sure if you're familiar with HeyGen, but I actually have a way to create automated avatars from transcripts automatically with HeyGen. And HeyGen has just recently integrated Sora 2, as in the Sora 2 engine into the HeyGen model.

David (08:28.494) Mm-hmm.

Jake Hissitt (08:31.411) Do you think we could be potentially in a new world where you could just license somebody's face and then use a third party tool like Hey Jen to then create videos on behalf of them?

David (08:45.998) Actually, that's what I am doing with two girls on Sora 2. Because on Sora 2, we can create our cameo, our AI avatar. basically, I made them create an account on Sora 2. I made them create their cameo. And I told them to give me the right to use their cameo for me to do some promo video for them.

for stoppers. Yeah, yes. Actually, it was my first business study when Sova 2 got released is to make a kind of marketplace, a kind of cameo marketplace where regular people that are creator or maybe not a creator can rent their AI to brands.

I was hoping that it would have been possible with the Sora2 API that got released yesterday, but that's not possible for now. But I'm pretty sure that in the very future, either in the Sora web app directly or via the APIs, that would be possible to rent cameos from specific people.

Alex MacGregor (10:05.822) Yeah, I saw Mark Cuban, he tweeted earlier saying basically my Camuil was out on the app or whatever, just go play with it. So I think a lot of people are just going to let people use their Camuil for free, right? But what you're saying is the switched on influencers, creators, they're going to be charging people, could be a lot of money to use this in the future, if there's a marketplace.

David (10:30.326) Yeah, for big influencers, yes. But let's say, for me, I am working with girls that are just creators, they're not big influencers. It's some girls that I pay probably like $500 per month to post multiple times for me per day, maybe like two, videos per day. But that takes some effort. They still have to take their phone, they still have to shoot those videos to edit.

Alex MacGregor (10:33.907) Yeah.

David (10:58.912) But let's say like instead of me paying them 500 dollars to do some active work, I can rent their cameo for like, for let's say for half the price and to make let's say like, to make let's say like as many promo video as I want in a specific context because like in the Sora 2 app we can say like

I allow my cameo to say that, that, that, but I don't want my cameo to be in that specific scenarios. And instead of paying them $500, I will pay them, for example, $150, $200. And they can multiply that deal with as many brands as they want. And for them, that deal is 100 % passive. For them, that's true passive income.

Alex MacGregor (11:48.851) Mm, yeah.

Alex MacGregor (11:53.63) Yeah, yeah, super interesting.

Jake Hissitt (12:03.379) I am here. Sorry. It's such a delay. do. You know, I also used to work in influencers. So I do have the questions about it. And I just wonder though, because I'm not sure if you know who HS Tiki Toki is. He's a kick streamer. He's very famous, particularly in the UK. And he's always got a viral moment, but I have seen people just creating AI videos of this like streamer.

David (12:08.599) I can't see.

Jake Hissitt (12:32.443) effectively without his permission. So I think that the disruption in the model, you know, for the influencers, it could be good because they, they can obviously license their face, but then at the same time, there's going to be a lot of like black hack, maybe not in like commercial mainstreams, but there's definitely going to be the ability for people to create quote unquote, deep fakes of people without their permission and use that in a commercial way.

Alex MacGregor (13:04.872) Yeah. I mean, I saw, I saw CAA, the big talent agency come out today and say, they're basically going to sue, open it again about this. Like they're saying their, their, their talent, like roster, you know, like the value of their roster is going to go down. So in, in a way, like this, this could like lift all of the micro influencers. and it could hit the, hit the big ones. Like, what do you think about that? Like, do you think the big influencers creators are going to be like?

You know, like Jake said, like if there's deep fakes and stuff, like, do think they're going to kind of resist this or like, what's your thoughts on the big guys?

David (13:39.692) Yeah, if they will. So yeah. So when you show my video about that girl in Bali, what she eats in a day, most Bali girl and Thailand girls will say, that's fake. She's not a real girl. It doesn't look that real. But trust me, 99 % of TikTok Instagram, they will think it's real. So when you ask.

Big influencers, what do they think about Sora? I think it's like asking taxi drivers what they think about Uber. I think the people getting disrupted don't like the product that is disrupting them.

Alex MacGregor (14:17.394) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alex MacGregor (14:29.104) Exactly. Yeah. We used to in a, in a past life, I used to work with a guy called MQHD, right? This tech influencer, everyone knows. And almost he's like the, he's like the gatekeeper for the whole of tech. Every single tech company in the hardware business, at least has to have a video with this guy. And like, I'm sure that's the same for every category of influencer. There's always like one influencer at the top and everyone else is underneath it. So.

David (14:38.103) Yeah.

Alex MacGregor (14:57.32) You're right. Like this could lead to like an explosion of, of new influencers because literally you're having people that don't adopt this are going to be stagnant. And the people that do adopt this are going to grow exponentially because they're just going to be on more videos, right? Like, like think about the, the TikTok and stuff, like it rewards engagement, it rewards like interaction with different accounts. So instead of having one account, like right now most creators have one account, right? Or maybe two accounts or three max.

David (15:13.472) Yeah, yeah.

Alex MacGregor (15:26.974) But in theory, they could have a hundred accounts, right? At the same time with loads of different types of videos running in parallel. so actually this is, I mean, most creators won't be able to do this. Like it's, it's, it's going to be too much. they just can't do that. So that's the, think that's where there's an opportunity for people like yourself and even ourselves to create services that enable them to scale their content. Right. Cause that doesn't exist right now.

David (15:29.654) Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes.

David (15:56.33) Yeah and I'm going to share some source basically like whenever I publish a video in English I think there is a lot more competition so like it's higher for me to get more views. Whenever I share a video in French or in Tagalog or in Spanish that's easier for me, easier to have the views.

views above like one thousand for example like one thousand views to two thousand views it's not much but it's still i feel like i feel like even bad videos they perform better in french and spanish than in english so so to use your example a big influencer could create a could create the same videos in english in french in spanish in like in

Alex MacGregor (16:34.889) Yeah.

Alex MacGregor (16:45.78) Yeah.

David (16:48.352) And that's a way to basically, I think, to demultiply yourself in multiple models. Yes.

Alex MacGregor (16:54.674) Yeah. I remember Mr. Mr. Beast talked about this. Like he, said that basically that's what got him from being a, 10 million to a hundred million to 400 million was the fact that he went to Brazil, he went to Indonesia, he went to Philippines, but that was done via teams. Like he's got hundreds of people translating. obviously now by AI, but like he has still a lot of people to kind of, you know, run all these different accounts. Whereas in theory now with Sora two, you can literally just go global.

with the software and then you can be in every country.

David (17:26.152) Yeah, for now that's not possible with Sora 2 to generate the exact same video in English and in multiple languages. We can generate probably like 90 % of the same video and with a different person.

Alex MacGregor (17:43.754) What about the audio? How is the audio in general? Because I know you did clip some videos of audio.

David (17:55.374) In SOHR 2.3, the standard model, to be honest, is quite bad. In the PRO model, it's great. But there are some AI free tools. mean, it's not free, but they have a free trial during four weeks or so.

And basically, we just dropped the video in there, and it will improve the audio and voice quality greatly. And just one click.

Jake Hissitt (18:19.292) Bye, bud.

Alex MacGregor (18:30.238) Hmm. What? Yeah. What about, about music? Because before we joined the pod tonight, Jake had a really banging tune on and like they don't, opening I don't have like any licensed music, right? Like how's that going to work?

David (18:44.782) No. sometimes, yes, in the video sometimes they add some music, But I really don't care because I always ask the people that post for me to use the trading music from TikTok and Instagram. And I always tell them to add the text themselves directly in TikTok and Instagram. Because I heard that when you do the edit yourself that shows the...

social media platform like you are not a bot, you are a real human doing some human interaction. So for all the text overlay and for the audio, that's direct, for me, for my content, that's directly within TikTok and Instagram.

Alex MacGregor (19:31.134) Yeah. And in terms of like, sort of going forward then, like your main focus is still going to be the app or are you, you looking at kind of like, as it talked about scaling some services around this or like, what's your main focus with this?

David (19:46.51) I'm thinking because I am working on the Sora Sass. I don't know if I can speak about it right now because whenever I will share the source a lot of people will copy.

Alex MacGregor (19:56.844) Exclusive here, yeah.

David (20:03.342) Okay, let's say the Sora 2 videos are quite okay. They're okay-ish. Like if I would rate them, it's between 6 out of 10, so 7 out of 10, which is still okay. The Sora 2 Pro video, it's often 8, 9 out of 10 from a video and from an audio perspective.

Alex MacGregor (20:03.401) Yeah.

David (20:30.646) What if you don't have access to Sora 2 Pro because that's too expensive for you? You don't want to pay the $200 per month. You just drop your video in the SAS, and that will remove the Sora watermark for you. That will upscale the video quality for you. That will enhance the audio quality for you. So that you will get a video in terms of quality that is between Sora 2 Free

and Sora 2 Pro. So basically, your video will go from a 6 out of 10 to like 8 in terms of image and voice and stuff.

Alex MacGregor (21:15.048) Yeah, I mean, this sounds good. If you're pitching that to businesses then to agencies or brands, what is the pitch? Because basically do you lead with the cost? You can say, look, I can cut your influencer creator spend. Or do you say like, we can increase the volume, like which is the most important, the cost or the volume in your opinion?

David (21:40.206) If they use the API from Sora to generate a 10 second video with Sora 2 Pro, it's the cost for one video that's $5, which is quite expensive. So instead of paying $5 for a good quality video, you can pay $1 for a Sora 2 standard video to...

to import that video in that SAS, you will pay probably like $1 more for that video. So instead of paying $5, you will pay in total, too. So.

Alex MacGregor (22:26.206) Yeah. another, another thing is though, when I, when I work with influencers before, if I don't like something, I would just talk to the influencer directly or the manager and say, can we edit this? Can we change that? what is the process with Sora? Cause like, literally you do, need to like, you need to generate a new video, right? Basically. So how does that affect things? Like you can't just, you can't just edit, you can't really edit a clip, right? In the same way you would with a traditional video.

David (22:45.186) Yeah.

David (22:56.398) Yeah, the only thing what I can do with Sora when I don't like a certain part of a clip, it would be to do some cut. Like some B-rolls or some cut. to... Yeah, actually that's a great question.

Alex MacGregor (23:07.881) Yeah.

David (23:17.386) Basically, like when I have someone in a Sora 2 video that says something that I don't want and I want to keep the exact same character with the exact same angle and exact same background and to ever say something different, that's not possible so far.

Alex MacGregor (23:36.062) I was having this, the reason I asked that question is I have this discussion a lot of times this year already, and I've spoken to other guys that are building automated influencer marketing. So they build tools where they email influencers and they do all the negotiation via AI, right? Like mostly text-based and they come from non-agency, non-marketing backgrounds. They've no idea about the negotiation contracts. So they're asking me questions like, what's, what's the stop us doing automated influencer marketing? And

David (23:57.87) Hang on.

Alex MacGregor (24:03.762) I have to interject with that very point about the fact is in this business, it's most of the energy is spent in the negotiation and edits and the revisions and reformatting. It's not the shooting of the content or the payment, right? Or the delivery, even the like literally just to upload files to Dropbox or Google drive. So I think that is the question for me right now with all of this is how, how will it fit in the workflow? Like of the, of the business, like, like business itself, like people.

David (24:14.851) Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alex MacGregor (24:33.736) People expect like they won't really care much about the technology. They just say, okay, this is a cheaper video. It's a better video. Can it fit with my workflow? need to have revisions. need to have edits. so I think that's still a little bit of a question, for like all the services out there, even, even sort of to team itself, maybe they can build some technology to do edits and cuts. I don't know. But then you, then you're into like, cap, cut, like building an editor into the tool, right. Which is another.

David (25:02.638) Yes.

Alex MacGregor (25:03.551) Another thing.

David (25:05.086) Actually, I will revise my previous answer because I never used that feature. There is some remix. There is this remix button on all the Sora 2 video. And basically, we can change the output of a video with some prompt. For example, yeah, this character has a red t-shirt, but I want a black t-shirt. Or the character says that, I

say abc but i want i want that person to say def for example so if we can do some some basic edit right now with with sora 2 with some some basic runs here but for now for now that's that's that's pretty basic i'm pretty sure that the worst sora 2 will will would be ever right but still from a from a starting point i

I know, I know I am, I don't know why I became this SuraGuruanX but I just became by...

Alex MacGregor (26:02.557) Who inspires you in this space? Like guys like levels that do all the, like he's been using like AI video and AI photos for a while, Yeah.

David (26:11.788) Yeah, I've been a photoai.com customer like he says for long time, and it's great. Yeah, so I'm inspired by Peter Levers, inspired by the Jack Fricks as well. He's from Canada. He's quite young. There is Marc Louvion, he's French. There is another guy as well with French. He's called Thibault.

Alex MacGregor (26:21.192) Yeah.

David (26:41.864) is the SaaS founder of HotRank. Yeah. Some thoughts.

Alex MacGregor (26:46.9) These guys are so good at distribution, right? Of course they're good product people, but they've mastered the distribution. And I think that's what's gonna be really important with Sora stuff. Like it's not just a case of generating videos, right? It's like how you talk about them, how you share them. Yeah.

David (26:54.04) Yeah.

David (27:05.774) Yeah, I am very excited for the future of Sora because you see that those cinematic intro videos from Clueli, right now, all the founders, they have those cinematic videos with a lot of quality production being very high. I am so convinced that in the near future, when I say near, maybe one year or maybe two years, I don't everyone will be able to generate with Sora, like with...

with a different system like this kind of videos and for me they're just mind blowing.

Alex MacGregor (27:42.386) Yeah. Jake, do have any questions for David before we ask the final question?

Jake Hissitt (27:48.741) I don't know. To be honest, feel like Sora is something that I haven't really touched on. So I've been learning. You know, I think about Sora lot in the Heigen space about generation of Avatar, but I know I'm learning, you know, I'm learning because I've not really experimented with it. I do other things. So super interesting, super interesting. I'll definitely I'll be

David (28:13.726) Yeah, guess. Yes.

Alex MacGregor (28:13.737) How do you, that's the question for you David, how do you stay on top of all the developments, right? Because things are moving so fast. How do you use like Twitter X, like how do you stay on top of it?

David (28:22.478) I don't have any full-time job. I am working a lot on Stopper and I am all day long on X.

Alex MacGregor (28:31.993) X is the only place you can learn about this stuff, like in real time.

David (28:34.336) Yes, yeah, actually, like I have, I'm subscribed to AI newsletter by email, but like I don't read them. Like all my AI news knowledge comes from X.

Alex MacGregor (28:43.891) Yeah.

Alex MacGregor (28:49.117) That's crazy how X is like the quickest place to find out.

Jake Hissitt (28:52.399) It is, it is the go to, you know, it is it really is like and the scene is a space. I don't think it's that big. I mean, there's a lot of people in it, but it's not huge. We all know the same circle.

Alex MacGregor (28:55.282) Yeah

David (28:57.804) Yes.

Alex MacGregor (29:01.906) No.

David (29:02.518) Yeah, think it's like.

Alex MacGregor (29:08.541) People, yeah.

so yeah, what's, so what's the near term just before we get to find a question, like what's the near term plan, David, like you can't talk about your app. but you're just going to keep working on this like Sora, like you're going to keep pushing on that. Yeah.

David (29:25.71) Yeah, because for me, maybe that's a bold statement. Maybe, like, I don't know what I'm talking about. But for me, the low charisma UGC, all the low charisma influencers, they are done. They are done. They are just done. Like, all the...

Jake Hissitt (29:47.761) Well, that was... Yeah.

Alex MacGregor (29:48.073) That is that you've just answered the final question. No, no, ask the question, Jake, and then we can go back to it.

David (29:51.368) Sorry.

Jake Hissitt (29:54.451) No, you know, it's funny. It's funny. think that I don't want to say too much because it sounds like almost controversial, but it's just if you go on Instagram or TikTok these days, you know, I don't know what your feed looks like, but if you're a girl, you just need to do a dance and you've got 20k plus followers. Like that's all my Instagram is. Like it's just

David (29:56.365) Okay.

Alex MacGregor (30:05.683) Do it.

Jake Hissitt (30:23.955) some girl that's an eight out of 10 or above, let's be honest, doing a dance and she's got like 20K followers in the space of like a week and you're like, what is this? know, like, what is this? It's a...

David (30:30.808) Yeah.

Alex MacGregor (30:37.193) But do you think Sora and these tools are gonna change that, like the algorithm, or is it just gonna feed him?

Jake Hissitt (30:40.723) I don't think they'll change some of it, but they'll probably create a new, carve a new niche. They'll carve a new market out for people that want to generate their own dancing chick or something.

Alex MacGregor (30:51.017) Okay. No, very interesting. So yeah, the final question, Jake, go for it. I think that was a good answer though for the final question, but anyway.

Jake Hissitt (30:57.488) Okay.

Do well. Hold your horses, David. We're on to the final question of the podcast. You know, this one shocks people. It takes a minute for people to get their heads around the question, but I'm going to throw it out there. It's really just about future predictions. You could be anything. It could be your life, the future of the world, work, but future projections, predictions. What do you think is going to happen?

David (31:25.198) Sure. Yeah, I think I I think I will. When I discovered SoRat2 last week, and it was not even the pro model, right? It was like the standard model. I was very convinced that the influencers without charisma, the UGC actors without charisma, they are done.

Alex MacGregor (31:28.263) You can say the same answer, by the way, the low-quality influencers.

David (31:55.124) Like they are not done right now because like Sora is not spread out worldwide and most people don't know Sora. basically like girls dancing on camera, girls eating a fat burger, a fat pizza, like this kind of McBang video, girls being pretty doing some promo for an app with just being pretty with some text on the video.

Basically, all the low effort creators, they are done. They are just done. For me, as a brand, for my stuff, I'm they're just right now, like even today, that makes no sense. Makes no sense to work with them. So I fired quite some.

quite a few of ambassadors last week that I was paying $500 per month just to be pretty on camera. Because I can do that with SoRat 2 Pro in English, in French, in Spanish, in Italian, with girls that are prettier than them and with girls that have more charisma than them and with girls that can speak on...

Alex MacGregor (33:05.353) Yeah.

David (33:20.654) on camera clearly during 15 seconds.

Alex MacGregor (33:23.881) I got a marketing tip for you. Like, do you use threads, the app threads? If you start posting like this opinion on threads, you're going to blow up because the backlash you'll get from all of the anti-AI slop, mostly left leaning people, they're just going to blow up your threads account. So cross post that stuff on threads. It'll blow up. Yeah.

David (33:44.138) Nice. Thank you.

I will, I will. Like when you will, when you will publish this podcast, I'm going to clip that part and I will post it on threads.

Alex MacGregor (33:57.329) Yeah. All right. All right. Cool. Thanks, David. That was really cool. Let's get you on in a year and then let's see kind of like what's changed. I'm sure a lot will change.

David (34:07.15) Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. Jack, thank you. Bye bye.

Jake Hissitt (34:07.187) Pleasure.

Alex MacGregor (34:09.012) Take care, see you later. Cheers, thanks, bye bye.

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